I find the Exp seats much more comfortable than the seats in my prev. Highlanders ( '11 & '17) and RAV4s ('11 and '19), esp. the 2019 RAV, the seats are really poor for any trip over like 30 mins. Toyo uses fake leather 'softtex' which is basically vinyl, sticky and sweaty, in a bad way. The Exp seats were pretty firm at first and now seems to have 'broken in'.