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Installed Livernois Tune

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So ZFG is a more custom tune vs. Livernois that has to live in everybody's vehicles so they have to be more conservative.
Not necessarily. It is all conjecture. How much variation is there between stock vehicles nowadays? Just because the process seems more custom, doesn't mean it is. He could be running the same tune in all stock STs that he "custom" tunes and only tweak for shifting preference. No one knows for sure. It stands to reason that the more power you extract out of the stock powertrain, the more risk. That is just inherent risk you assume when you tune your vehicle.
 

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Not necessarily. It is all conjecture. How much variation is there between stock vehicles nowadays? Just because the process seems more custom, doesn't mean it is. He could be running the same tune in all stock STs that he "custom" tunes and only tweak for shifting preference. No one knows for sure. It stands to reason that the more power you extract out of the stock powertrain, the more risk. That is just inherent risk you assume when you tune your vehicle.
Its not conjecture. There is more than enough evidence across A LOT of different platforms that custom tunes make more power than canned tunes.

A tune that has to work on 100% of the vehicles everywhere is going to be way more toned down than a custom tune so that it doesnt cause issues that come back on the tuner.

I dont see any tuners that make canned tunes for high altitude, low altitude, etc... most are making a canned 91 or 93 octane tune and sending it out. A "custom" tune will generally ALWAYS make more power, but not necessarily safer as you are right, the more power you make the harder it is on components designed for x+10%(or whatever). And im not even discussing any form of risk really.
 

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Not necessarily. It is all conjecture. How much variation is there between stock vehicles nowadays? Just because the process seems more custom, doesn't mean it is. He could be running the same tune in all stock STs that he "custom" tunes and only tweak for shifting preference. No one knows for sure. It stands to reason that the more power you extract out of the stock powertrain, the more risk. That is just inherent risk you assume when you tune your vehicle.


I literally laughed when I read this!

Conjecture? Nope! Proven by numbers and times.

LMS isn’t a bad tune, but it is a one size fits all scenario.

Without tuners like ZFG doing logging with customers like me we would not know about the low fill, or the oil starvation risk if you are launching hard.


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I’ve done probably 50 logs with ZFG fine tuning different files. The attention to even the most minute detail is second to none.
 

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I literally laughed when I read this!

Conjecture? Nope! Proven by numbers and times.

LMS isn’t a bad tune, but it is a one size fits all scenario.

Without tuners like ZFG doing logging with customers like me we would not know about the low fill, or the oil starvation risk if you are launching hard.


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Where can i find more info on the low fill & oil starvation risk as this is the 1st im hearing of it!
 

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Where can i find more info on the low fill & oil starvation risk as this is the 1st im hearing of it!
High Performance Explorer ST FB group. We have it stuck at the top of the page.
 

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Too clarify, yes ZFG does start with basically the same "baseline" file for each customer assuming the same Ford base Strategy, then logs, and tweaks from there. Yes, additional things can be tweaked, like I don't mind AS/S so it is on in my tunes. I also like a more relaxed throttle in Normal. All things that can be changed. Like @UNBROKEN honestly, I am at a TON of logs. We did A LOT of work on shifting in Sport Mode. Also, these trans seem to be REAL picky, and each one is a little different. A good Sport trans strategy for one, is not always perfect for another.
 

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I literally laughed when I read this!

Conjecture? Nope! Proven by numbers and times.

LMS isn’t a bad tune, but it is a one size fits all scenario.

Without tuners like ZFG doing logging with customers like me we would not know about the low fill, or the oil starvation risk if you are launching hard.


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I am not even talking about differences in different tuners. I'm talking about differences in ZFG tunes for bone stock cars. Is there a difference? I'm not so sure. The process, like I've mentioned, implies that it's custom but there is no evidence.
 

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I am not even talking about differences in different tuners. I'm talking about differences in ZFG tunes for bone stock cars. Is there a difference? I'm not so sure. The process, like I've mentioned, implies that it's custom but there is no evidence.
Everyone starts with a base file of some sort. For ZFG that’s just a starting point and you log and dial in your tune for your car...that’s the definition of a custom tune. For some...the base file is what you get and nothing else.
 

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I am not even talking about differences in different tuners. I'm talking about differences in ZFG tunes for bone stock cars. Is there a difference? I'm not so sure. The process, like I've mentioned, implies that it's custom but there is no evidence.
Cause it is Custom. End results are going to be similar power wise, but without logging on your specific vehicle you don't know for sure. With logging you know how YOUR car is responding to the tune, not 1-2 on a dyno several months before.

This is not a hard concept...
 

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I’ve done probably 50 logs with ZFG fine tuning different files. The attention to even the most minute detail is second to none.
This I’m excited about. Certainly don’t plan to bombard with logs but it’s nice to know ZFG is willing to review/tweak any sent across. Key differentiator and why I’m waiting (impatiently lol).


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Not necessarily. It is all conjecture. How much variation is there between stock vehicles nowadays? Just because the process seems more custom, doesn't mean it is. He could be running the same tune in all stock STs that he "custom" tunes and only tweak for shifting preference. No one knows for sure. It stands to reason that the more power you extract out of the stock powertrain, the more risk. That is just inherent risk you assume when you tune your vehicle.
More than you think especially with electronically controlled transmission and turbo cars in general. Plus tuning to how the customer wants the car to feel not what I think is best.

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2021 with 940 miles all stock. LMS V4 93 octane tune only. Did this for now until my HPT comes in and can get with ZFG.

I have to say I'm impressed with the LMS tune. Can't wait to see what ZFG will get out of it!
 

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2021 with 940 miles all stock. LMS V4 93 octane tune only. Did this for now until my HPT comes in and can get with ZFG.

I have to say I'm impressed with the LMS tune. Can't wait to see what ZFG will get out of it!
Nice time. Can you screen shot the actual 0-60 details from Dragy?


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Nice time. Can you screen shot the actual 0-60 details from Dragy?


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I erased the darn run messing with the draggy today like a moron as i had a bunch of bogus runs on there from driving down the road with the draggy turned on and running or id be glad to... I was driving and messing with it, should have just stopped. Now i know why they say don't text and drive! LOL

I can tell you i launched harder before and went 4.30s due to spinning so bad. The rear kicked out a bit actually... So that run i only launched at low 2000s rpm range and it spun just a little then took off and went faster then when i stalled it up to close to 3k. 8th mile was just under 89mph and 1/4 mile was just under 111mph. Around 3/4 tank fuel.
 

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Wow!
I've ran Stage 4 93 from LMS on my SHO for ten years. I think you've convinced me to do the same for the ST.

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