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Rear end damage
- Thread starter Chrispw24
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I tried manual mode 5 min after leaving the dealer's lot. Got to test these things out you know!
But here's the example of what I was talking about:
I'm cruising around town in D at 40 mph. I floor it and the rpm jumps to 3,300 rpm. That equates to 3rd gear.
But if I'm cruising around in D at 40 mph and manually downshift to the lowest gear, the rpm jumps to 4,600 rpm. That is 2nd gear.
My Stinger GT had a small physical downshift switch on the floorboard underneath the accelerator pedal.
When you floored it you depressed that button and the trans knew to drop down to the lowest possible gear.
It worked pretty well. I'm thinking the ST prevents that at times to protect the trans and drive train.
Not sure it does this at all speeds, will have to test it further.
But here's the example of what I was talking about:
I'm cruising around town in D at 40 mph. I floor it and the rpm jumps to 3,300 rpm. That equates to 3rd gear.
But if I'm cruising around in D at 40 mph and manually downshift to the lowest gear, the rpm jumps to 4,600 rpm. That is 2nd gear.
My Stinger GT had a small physical downshift switch on the floorboard underneath the accelerator pedal.
When you floored it you depressed that button and the trans knew to drop down to the lowest possible gear.
It worked pretty well. I'm thinking the ST prevents that at times to protect the trans and drive train.
Not sure it does this at all speeds, will have to test it further.
https://www.autoblog.com/amp/2022/04/29/ford-explorer-recall-axle-bolt-failure/
this article explains the issue
this article explains the issue
I know what the issue is. I was speculating as to why ford would waste our time with a stupid auto engaging e brake that will solve nothing except cover their own ass. It wont prevent the failure from happening. If ford were to admit the true reason for the failure, then NHTSA would require them to swap out the subframe to the correct one and at roughly 4K for parts and labor on every explorer that got the wrong subframe. And someone estimated there are approx 200K ST and platinum explorers with the wrong subframe. That's 800 million dollars, that can put a serious dent in any company's finances, if not bankrupt them.
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The roll away in Park after the bolt breaks is what they're addressing.
It's been reported on this forum that the fix for the actual bolt break is covered under a TSB (TSB's are "fix it if a customer shows up with a failure").
That's different from a Recall ("all vehicles must be brought in").
It's been reported on this forum that the fix for the actual bolt break is covered under a TSB (TSB's are "fix it if a customer shows up with a failure").
That's different from a Recall ("all vehicles must be brought in").
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So I see we are getting quite a few failures because of our change to a three bolt subframe.
Yes, the government will probably make us issue a recall.
But a recall has to include a fix with it.
The only fix is to replace them with the proper 4 bolt subframe.
We can’t do that. It’s way too expensive!
I have an idea. What if we say the only problem is the vehicle can roll away.
Great idea! Then our fix can be to just automatically engage the park brake.
Good job team! Another problem solved.
Yes, the government will probably make us issue a recall.
But a recall has to include a fix with it.
The only fix is to replace them with the proper 4 bolt subframe.
We can’t do that. It’s way too expensive!
I have an idea. What if we say the only problem is the vehicle can roll away.
Great idea! Then our fix can be to just automatically engage the park brake.
Good job team! Another problem solved.
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When the rear axle rotates under hard accel the pinion climbs upward. Having a horizontal bolt to hold the axle housing in place is just asking for trouble. If you look at the diagram on how the rear axle housing is mounted, there are two ears on either side of the pinion snout that has two rubber bushings and a vertical bolt.
If you replace parts 9, 10,and 11 with stiffer delrin bushings, you could limit vertical movement of the pinion snout and could reduce or eliminate the chances of bolt failure. Throw in a super strong bolt in the back where they break and an acceptable fix could be done for less than $250 in parts.
If you replace parts 9, 10,and 11 with stiffer delrin bushings, you could limit vertical movement of the pinion snout and could reduce or eliminate the chances of bolt failure. Throw in a super strong bolt in the back where they break and an acceptable fix could be done for less than $250 in parts.
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That is the number of 20-22 Explorers recalled as per this article:
https://www.autoblog.com/2022/04/29/ford-explorer-recall-axle-bolt-failure/
https://www.autoblog.com/2022/04/29/ford-explorer-recall-axle-bolt-failure/
But aren’t they given that they’re willing to fix the police interceptors properly but not all other explorers? I mean that right there is crazy. All explorers including police vehicles with 3 bolts have the same risks. So how they can possibly say well, we’ll fix a certain segment of explorers but not all. It’s insane and not okay. You’re basically saying we know how to actually fix this but only choosing to do so on certain explorers.
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