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Hey, been reading this forum for a bit getting some good info. I just picked up a certified 21 ST. I put on the AWR brace, did some Forscan changes, tinted front windows, black lugs...minor stuff.



I want to tune it but really want to retain the 100k powertrain warranty. So I'm thinking of putting the Ford Performance tune on it to get a little more power and improved shifting. Probably will want more power so started thinking of the JB4. Contacted them and they said that would definitely work. Ford would have no clue it was installed if I need warranty work and would add a nice bump in power. I could also data log and they could make me a custom map.

Anyways, sounds like a good idea. So I'm wondering if anybody has done it or has input. I know it would cheaper to just do a custom tune, but I really don't want to void my warranty.
 

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First…there’s no “improved shifting”. The FP tune loads the newest calibration and runs a fresh relearn process…that’s all.
You’d be better off and safer just running the JB4 or the FP tune. Stacking tunes has bad idea written all over it.
 

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Ok, so you're saying there's no improvement on the FP tune vs stock tune? Why "better off and safer" running JB4 on stock tune? FP tune seems to get generally good reviews here.
Trying to make an informed decision.
 

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Pick one or the other…both is a bad idea.
 

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Yes, but why is it a bad idea? Why would installing a JB4 on an improved, warrantied Ford tune be bad?

Any actual information would be helpful.
 

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Yes, but why is it a bad idea? Why would installing a JB4 on an improved, warrantied Ford tune be bad?

Any actual information would be helpful.
You seem to be sincere in trying this, so I will tell you this. The way the piggy-back systems work is by "fooling" the boost sensor into allowing more boost...period. Forget all the crap they post about changing timing/ fuel control, etc. That's the factory systems kicking in to save your ass.

If anyone on this forum wants to debate this based on Burger Tuning's published literature, I'll be MORE than happy to oblige. Where are the harnesses for spark control, 02 control, knock control? I mean, an ancient Greddy E-Manage is more capable. These plug and play systems only claim to fame is mimicking the factory connectors so they make modification fairly undetectable and adding the ability to view OBD2 data.

For that certain population who want to be able to blow your engine and claim it's Ford's fault if something goes wrong...they are perfect. And they earn my disdain.
 

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Now there's a solid, informative post. Thanks TMac. Maybe I'll just start with the FP tune for awhile until I'm comfortable with the ST's reliability, then look at other tunes.
 

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First…there’s no “improved shifting”. The FP tune loads the newest calibration and runs a fresh relearn process…that’s all.
You’d be better off and safer just running the JB4 or the FP tune. Stacking tunes has bad idea written all over it.
He does state he has a ‘21, which shouldn’t have the latest trans calibration. So he may be actually gets g something there with the FP tune.


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As mild as the FP tune is, I would not stack a JB4 on it at all.

As mentioned the way they cheat the computer bypasses some built in stock safeties.


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He does state he has a ‘21, which shouldn’t have the latest trans calibration. So he may be actually gets g something there with the FP tune.


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I always enjoy your posts, but I'm not following your logic here.
 

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I always enjoy your posts, but I'm not following your logic here.
My understanding is that the latest version of trans tuning (same as FP tune) didn't start going out on the ST's until mid '22. With the OP mentioning his is a '21 I would assume it's the same as mine and have the an older revision of the trans tuning, which can certainly be described as "less than perfect". So if he does go with the FP tune, he should get the latest/greatest trans tuning and see some improvement.

However, I haven't had the "parking brake" Flash done yet, so I don't know if they wrap in any trans tuning changes with that update, or if it just turns on the parking brake in Park. Once I get the TSB done, I'll read the tune and compare, just for shit's and giggles.

I have access to a FP tuned ST, so I may do a read and compare for fun. I currently have my own tune (HPT and SCT), BoostKing (HPT), Unleashed (HPT) and Gearhead (SCT). So it might be an interesting comparison.
 

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If anyone is curios, here is a friend that did some testing with his '22 Tremor F150 (3.5). You can see it aligns with @TMac statements above. Brett now has the SCT tuner and will begin testing with it shortly (although it doesn't really matter one lick for the ST's). He also noted that with the JB4, it runs rich.


Long time! I hope you are all are doing well. This wont be a super extensive thread, but I wanted to share some initial results with you on the JB4 on my 2022 Tremor. This was done on our in-house DynoJet 224xlc. The truck has 3,000 miles (almost exactly) at this test interval and has no performance modifications besides the JB4 "tuner". Trucks is filled with 93 octane and then run with short cool downs to try to keep consistency.

Initial impressions are: It works very well for what it is. It is not a "tune", but rather a way to make your factory tune do something it wouldn't ordinarily by tricking it. That said, it works very well with the stock tune, and for a non-flash, technically untraceable tuning type device, it's impressive. If you own a 2021+, this is one of the only solutions for tuning as real custom tuning has not been available. It installs in 15 minutes, and you can change tunes using your phone (if you have the bluetooth connect kit), with just a few moves in the app. It has some datalogging capabilities, which I can/will address more later, but at least you can see something.

Mostly this just alters boost, which raises load, which does make power. Spark seems to stay pretty much what I would expect out of these engines, almost nothing. Each MAP is progressively more aggressive. Here is the map guide they supply on their website:

JB4 Map Guide:
Map0: Fully disable JB4
Map1: +3.5psi peak over stock, default map, 91+ octane
Map2: +3.5psi peak, less top end taper, more aggressive version of map1.
Map3: +4psi peak, suggested for 93+ octane and/or modified trucks
Map4: Low boost VALET map
Map5: +6psi peak, suggested for 30% E85 mixtures and/or unleaded race fuel
Map6: Custom tuning map user adjustable
Map7: +7psi peak racing map for unleaded race fuel

So far I have been daily driving on the Map 2 for about a week. It drives really well, no surging. I wish I could tune the trans some to make it better, but it is what it is for now.

I have not run past Map 3 yet. Map 4 is nothing, but Map 5 is made for E30 or higher mixtures. With the stock intercooler, not sure I want to push it, but I may for a run or two on the dyno with some ethanol (one day).

I realized after this I forgot to run Map 1 but if it's less aggressive version of Map 2, then I think we can guess where it would end up.

Power results are:

Stock - 345 whp & 464 wtq
MAP 2 - 361 whp & 486 wtq
MAP 3 - 387 whp & 510 wtq

So for those test, from stock to MAP 3 we see a 42 whp gain. Not bad at all.



When you record, it seems to record "all it is capable of". To that point, there are some good things to log, however some things are missing like knock (which I find crucial). Fueling and boost and throttle as you will see in this image are available, as well as others. The graphing software (mobile and cp) are both primative but effective for checking things. I still have more to learn, but it's not too complex. Boost falls to about 18 something at redline.
 

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As mild as the FP tune is, I would not stack a JB4 on it at all.

As mentioned the way they cheat the computer bypasses some built in stock safeties.


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Thanks for the input. Makes sense. I guess if it were a good idea it would have been done already.....
 

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My understanding is that the latest version of trans tuning (same as FP tune) didn't start going out on the ST's until mid '22. With the OP mentioning his is a '21 I would assume it's the same as mine and have the an older revision of the trans tuning, which can certainly be described as "less than perfect". So if he does go with the FP tune, he should get the latest/greatest trans tuning and see some improvement.

However, I haven't had the "parking brake" Flash done yet, so I don't know if they wrap in any trans tuning changes with that update, or if it just turns on the parking brake in Park. Once I get the TSB done, I'll read the tune and compare, just for shit's and giggles.

I have access to a FP tuned ST, so I may do a read and compare for fun. I currently have my own tune (HPT and SCT), BoostKing (HPT), Unleashed (HPT) and Gearhead (SCT). So it might be an interesting comparison.
Yes, mines a '21. I don't know if it's got the latest trans tuning
 

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If anyone is curios, here is a friend that did some testing with his '22 Tremor F150 (3.5). You can see it aligns with @TMac statements above. Brett now has the SCT tuner and will begin testing with it shortly (although it doesn't really matter one lick for the ST's). He also noted that with the JB4, it runs rich.


Long time! I hope you are all are doing well. This wont be a super extensive thread, but I wanted to share some initial results with you on the JB4 on my 2022 Tremor. This was done on our in-house DynoJet 224xlc. The truck has 3,000 miles (almost exactly) at this test interval and has no performance modifications besides the JB4 "tuner". Trucks is filled with 93 octane and then run with short cool downs to try to keep consistency.

Initial impressions are: It works very well for what it is. It is not a "tune", but rather a way to make your factory tune do something it wouldn't ordinarily by tricking it. That said, it works very well with the stock tune, and for a non-flash, technically untraceable tuning type device, it's impressive. If you own a 2021+, this is one of the only solutions for tuning as real custom tuning has not been available. It installs in 15 minutes, and you can change tunes using your phone (if you have the bluetooth connect kit), with just a few moves in the app. It has some datalogging capabilities, which I can/will address more later, but at least you can see something.

Mostly this just alters boost, which raises load, which does make power. Spark seems to stay pretty much what I would expect out of these engines, almost nothing. Each MAP is progressively more aggressive. Here is the map guide they supply on their website:

JB4 Map Guide:
Map0: Fully disable JB4
Map1: +3.5psi peak over stock, default map, 91+ octane
Map2: +3.5psi peak, less top end taper, more aggressive version of map1.
Map3: +4psi peak, suggested for 93+ octane and/or modified trucks
Map4: Low boost VALET map
Map5: +6psi peak, suggested for 30% E85 mixtures and/or unleaded race fuel
Map6: Custom tuning map user adjustable
Map7: +7psi peak racing map for unleaded race fuel

So far I have been daily driving on the Map 2 for about a week. It drives really well, no surging. I wish I could tune the trans some to make it better, but it is what it is for now.

I have not run past Map 3 yet. Map 4 is nothing, but Map 5 is made for E30 or higher mixtures. With the stock intercooler, not sure I want to push it, but I may for a run or two on the dyno with some ethanol (one day).

I realized after this I forgot to run Map 1 but if it's less aggressive version of Map 2, then I think we can guess where it would end up.

Power results are:

Stock - 345 whp & 464 wtq
MAP 2 - 361 whp & 486 wtq
MAP 3 - 387 whp & 510 wtq

So for those test, from stock to MAP 3 we see a 42 whp gain. Not bad at all.



When you record, it seems to record "all it is capable of". To that point, there are some good things to log, however some things are missing like knock (which I find crucial). Fueling and boost and throttle as you will see in this image are available, as well as others. The graphing software (mobile and cp) are both primative but effective for checking things. I still have more to learn, but it's not too complex. Boost falls to about 18 something at redline.
See, this is pretty much what I was thinking by stacking these. Something that added a bit more power (50+ hp) by increasing boost some on top of a mild FP tune that helps shifting. Undetectable and simple.

But not at the expense of my motor/trans/etc...even if it's covered under warranty. Not worth the potential headache. Especially if my trans tuning isn't even improved anyway.
 

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To be honest, based on the Dragy times I've seen, the FP tune is under-rated. I would guess it's about 60-70 hp increase. Please don't play around with piggy-backs just because "Ford can't tell I did it". It's not only dishonest, I'm telling you that the potential problems just aren't worth it. I may be OG, but if you can't afford to fix your engine, don't f... with it!

It gets old saying this, but how many people have blown their engine with a ZFG tune? I'm waiting...
 

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I've used my dragy a handful of times and my best 0-60 is 5.3 stock. So really if FP can get me mid/high 4's I'd be happy for now. I don't have time to be doing crazy stuff and have to deal with problems.

Oh, and when I'm doing a run and brake boosting, it only goes up to about 2300 RPMs and no higher. Is that normal? It's like a launch control which I didn't think these things had.
 

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Oh, and when I'm doing a run and brake boosting, it only goes up to about 2300 RPMs and no higher. Is that normal?
That is your stall speed of the torque convertor. As you increase the torque output from tuning and other mods, you will be able to get a higher stall speed before the engine can no longer increase in rpm during a brake boost because the engine makes more torque so it can overcome the built in resistance of the convertor. I can get around 2800 RPM with mine.
 

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That is your stall speed of the torque convertor. As you increase the torque output from tuning and other mods, you will be able to get a higher stall speed before the engine can no longer increase in rpm during a brake boost because the engine makes more torque so it can overcome the built in resistance of the convertor. I can get around 2800 RPM with mine.
Ok, that makes sense. Thanks for the answer. What tune do you have that got you up to 2800? Does the FP tune bring it up? I feel like it should be at least 2500 RPM.
 

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I run a ZFG 93 tune. When I was bone stock all I could get was about 22-2300 like you. The FP will bring it up, how much I don't know.
 



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