Best tune for 2020 Ford Explorer ST

LokiWolf · Jun 10, 2021

3 years from now, your tune only skills on the ST still won’t be quicker than Adam’s tunes. Keep hoping. Some of the best in the business are behind him on this platform, and I promise you they all know more than you!

“the most risk”, now you are implying that he has risked his customers vehicles by tuning them. I have never met Adam in person, but yet my ST does a 12.32 1/4, 4.0X 0-60, on 93, everything else stock. He keeps all safety settings in place, and has people pushing serious power when others are slower and trashing transmissions.

I am maybe 2 hours from you and can meet you anywhere between. Tell me when you are ready and we will line up!

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Cdubya · Jun 10, 2021

LokiWolf said:

You "trashed" your transmission with ZFG but say it's a problem with the stock tranny. When others' trannies go, you blame the tune. So which is it? I can almost guarantee you are not the only one to have need a tranny replaced running ZFG.

LokiWolf · Jun 10, 2021

Cdubya said:

HaHaHaHa!

Yep, full disclosure I have had a transmission issue. As have many others. Go talk to a service writer at a large dealer. The Trans issues from the factory is even happening on XLT’s and limited’s with far less power.

My Trans had issues from day 1, 14 miles on the odometer. My tune actually made it better. Eventually the problem started showing up even while being tuned. Mine never left me, never threw a message or went in to limp mode. Had a hard downshift from 7-6 that eventually got worse. Solenoid and a few other things involved

The 5Star tuned ST we have seen eat Transmissions we’re fine stock, tune added, and in videos you could hear they were sitting on the clutch way too long. People asked for changes, even with logs and videos, and it was worse. Eventually they completely died, limp mode, had to be towed.

I have launched mine 100’s of times from a standstill, 2900 RPM’s, TC off, Sport mode on 93, and E50. No issues in the gears that are involved in those 0-60 launches, or the 1/4. Believe it or not the 7-6 downshift is not typically involved in those accel runs.

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UNBROKEN · Jun 10, 2021

FORZDA3 said:

Get your tune “right” and gimme a shout. I have zero doubt you’ll see nothing but my taillights at the finish line. I’ll cover whatever bet you wanna make since you brought up money. That won’t scare me away.

UNBROKEN · Jun 10, 2021

LokiWolf said:

HaHaHaHa!

Yep, full disclosure I have had a transmission issue. As have many others. Go talk to a service writer at a large dealer. The Trans issues from the factory is even happening on XLT’s and limited’s with far less power.

My Trans had issues from day 1, 14 miles on the odometer. My tune actually made it better. Eventually the problem started showing up even while being tuned. Mine never left me, never threw a message or went in to limp mode. Had a hard downshift from 7-6 that eventually got worse. Solenoid and a few other things involved

The 5Star tuned ST we have seen eat Transmissions we’re fine stock, tune added, and in videos you could hear they were sitting on the clutch way too long. People asked for changes, even with logs and videos, and it was worse. Eventually they completely died, limp mode, had to be towed.

I have launched mine 100’s of times from a standstill, 2900 RPM’s, TC off, Sport mode on 93, and E50. No issues in the gears that are involved in those 0-60 launches, or the 1/4. Believe it or not the 7-6 downshift is not typically involved in those accel runs.

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I remember telling that guy from HI that posted a video to not even think about running it hard until 5Star fixed his tune…he ran it hard and it died within a week.

FORZDA3 · Jun 10, 2021

LokiWolf said:

Okie dokie Loki. Should I remove the grandkids' car seats, or maybe the kids can just hop in and ride along? According to you and ol' broke I'll be slow enough. LOL

LokiWolf · Jun 10, 2021

FORZDA3 said:

I can leave the tools that are typically in mine…

Pretty sure it won’t matter.

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sadeen · Jun 11, 2021

I am happy with the Palm Beach Dyno tune, just to throw out another option for consideration.

LokiWolf · Jun 11, 2021

sadeen said:

PBD is an excellent choice. Honestly the only one I would choose other than ZFG.

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bluesnake01 · Jun 11, 2021

Great read! Thinking of pulling for the ZFG myself, been in contact with Adam. Just a bit nervous on the transmission issues people have been having even being stock. Wouldnt want for dealer to deny transmission work thats happening on stock cars.

Dont have an ST but bought a Platinum, luckily, after 2k miles, only issue i'm running thru is the infamous rear view camera blue screen.

rhite95 · Jun 17, 2021

sadeen said:

Which tuning device did you go with? U cal or RDT and why?

Thanks

LokiWolf · Jun 17, 2021

rhite95 said:

Get the RTD. The UCal can only be used with PBD. The RTD can be used with other tuners like ZFG. Only downside to the RTD, is you need a Windows laptop to use with it.

RTD also has FAR superior logging in comparison to the UCal.

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Cdubya · Jun 17, 2021

LokiWolf said:

And you know this, how?

UNBROKEN · Jun 17, 2021

Cdubya said:

The available PID’s? lol

Cdubya · Jun 17, 2021

UNBROKEN said:

So a comparison of the datalogging was done?

LokiWolf · Jun 17, 2021

Cdubya said:

Because the UCal is the exact same piece of hardware as the MyCal from LMS. I own one. Have logged on it on my Expedition just to see what it could do.

I also own a MPVI2(Same logging capabilities as the RTD), and I have been logging with it for over 2 years now.

Have you logged with both? I have. I don’t speak from theory, I speak from experience.

Like @UNBROKEN said, PID’s. Pretty much anything the ECM or TCM can output the RTD can read. The UCal/MyCal has a very limited set. Then there is refresh rate on the PID’s. The rate at which the RTD can sample when hooked to a laptop is crazy. I can log over 30 PID’s at once, AND adjust the rate for each of those PID’s separately.

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LokiWolf · Jun 17, 2021

Cdubya said:

Dude, it is like night and day difference. When it comes to logging they aren’t even in the same discussion. It’s like a Tonka Dump Truck and a real one. HPTuners devices take it to a whole different level.

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Cdubya · Jun 18, 2021

ok thanks. just wondering.

marksst · Jun 18, 2021

marksst said:

Nine days later.... Still loving this tune. Stupid fast. Shifting is great, very smooth. So much fun when all four wheels chirp.

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MooCowLMFAO · Jun 19, 2021

PBD or 5 star for e85? Also any SoCal shops that do e85 setups? Been loving our ST but really want it running on e85

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