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Why we didn't buy an Explorer ST, and other various thoughts
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It does share part numbers for heads and intake. It's definitely different, but not particularly a "clean sheet" design. I think jury is still out on the CGI vs aluminum block. It does have that block skirting which is aluminum, so I suppose one could try a magnet on the block under the heads and above the skirting- or perhaps at the front or rear.
If that is the case then the 3.0 is just a modified 2.7
Ford has been doing this since the sixties, the 302 windsor was just a stroked 289. 2.87" in the 289 and 3.00 in the 302. The 351 windsor is just a tall deck 302, they made the block taller to accommodate the longer 3.5" stroke and they also made the main bearing journals a larger diameter.
Ford has been doing this since the sixties, the 302 windsor was just a stroked 289. 2.87" in the 289 and 3.00 in the 302. The 351 windsor is just a tall deck 302, they made the block taller to accommodate the longer 3.5" stroke and they also made the main bearing journals a larger diameter.
If they use the same heads, they are basically the same engine family, how hard is that to understand. The old modular engines AKA the 4.6 and 5.4 had the same bore but the 5.4 had a taller block and longer stroke. As a matter of fact the 4.6 came in an iron block and an aluminum block. Just because they designed and built a new aluminum block for the 3.0 does not make it a whole new engine. And the bore, well remember the old FE big blocks? They had various displacements ranging from 332 all the way up to 428 and the 390 had a 4.05" bore, the 427 had a 4.23" bore and the 428 had a 4.13" bore.
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I'm far from. An Ecoboost expert, but 5 star's E50 tune on a stock 3.5.does 550 wheel hp. Stock intake, stock exhaust, stock IC.
That said, ethanol blends are of no interest to me, that's way too much hassle to fill up. E85 is at least a semi commonly available fuel, but I'm not gonna mix grades of gas to try to hit some magic fuel.
The only thing I can think of is maybe the 3.5 is cheaper or easier for Ford to build, retooling a plant is expensive, and if you can avoid a major retooling to build the nano engine vs an upgraded gen2 3.5, maybe that makes more sense.
That said, ethanol blends are of no interest to me, that's way too much hassle to fill up. E85 is at least a semi commonly available fuel, but I'm not gonna mix grades of gas to try to hit some magic fuel.
The only thing I can think of is maybe the 3.5 is cheaper or easier for Ford to build, retooling a plant is expensive, and if you can avoid a major retooling to build the nano engine vs an upgraded gen2 3.5, maybe that makes more sense.
Ha! The FE's and Windsors were going through my head reading this discussion. The 3.0 is indeed the 2.7's big brother (derived from the Nano or heavily based on). They're not the same but they are the same family.
This little blurb from the Ford Authority says it better than I can:
This little blurb from the Ford Authority says it better than I can:
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I was looking at the Lincoln manuals for the 3.0. They may have changed things for the ST. I did a bunch of research on the 2.7 vs 3.0 (Lincoln), before I bought my ST thinking it was the same, so it's more than possible things have changed. Even now, although they use the lincoln prefix, the actual part numbers are identical on many things, including turbos.
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You still don't make sense , if you looked at them in 18-19 and they were doing crazy deals which I doubt....the explorer ST was not even out so you can't even compare prices. The SRT line in any dodge has never been heavily discounted. not to mention you are talking way over 20k discount...never happening. Your posts are filled with dream requests.
