Going to look at some 23 STs. What features do I need to verify are there, missing, deleted, ghosted by Ford? Any test drive tips?

thinguy · Apr 15, 2024

Ford's Window Stickers lack a lot of detail and reading up I see some people talking about heated steering wheel has been deleted. also Massage (Active Motion (Giggle)) seats, along with park assist, reverse brake assist, 360 camera, camera washers. And that's just what I can remember. Oh and 4G LTE hotspot. If I don't have that what doesn't work?
What should I look for, and expect?

I Bleed Ford Blue · Apr 15, 2024

I had a 21 that had all of that, I now have a late build 23 and the massage seats are gone, but I think the regular seats are more comfortable. The reverse assist is a pain, it would lock up the brakes suddenly and made you think you hit something, I'm glad it's gone. The 360 camera, was OK but the way ford implemented it was stupid, on the 21 when ever you put it in reverse it would split the screen and use about 60% for the reverse camera and the other 40% was used for the 360 view. With the 23 the 360 is gone so now the reverse camera display goes all the way across the screen. The park assist was a stupid gimmick that nobody ever used and the 4G hotspot is really just useless, just turn on the hotspot in your phone, it will do the same thing and you don't have to pay a monthly fee for it because it is essentially another line on your phone plan.

2020FordRaptor · Apr 15, 2024

thinguy said:

The 4g LTE is the in car WiFi that you can pay a ridiculous amount to use.

2020FordRaptor · Apr 15, 2024

I Bleed Ford Blue said:

I had a 21 that had all of that, I now have a late build 23 and the massage seats are gone, but I think the regular seats are more comfortable. The reverse assist is a pain, it would lock up the brakes suddenly and made you think you hit something, I'm glad it's gone. The 360 camera, was OK but the way ford implemented it was stupid, on the 21 when ever you put it in reverse it would split the screen and use about 60% for the reverse camera and the other 40% was used for the 360 view. With the 23 the 360 is gone so now the reverse camera display goes all the way across the screen. The park assist was a stupid gimmick that nobody ever used and the 4G hotspot is really just useless, just turn on the hotspot in your phone, it will do the same thing and you don't have to pay a monthly fee for it because it is essentially another line on your phone plan.

I agree with all you said. Especially the seats feeling more comfortable without the multi contour motors.

Carbon ST · Apr 20, 2024

The cargo tie down rings are now plastic instead of metal

F=MA · Apr 20, 2024

Yes the 2023 ST seats without massaging are super supportive and comfortable compared with the 3 year old massaging seats. Don't recall the massaging seats in the 2020 being that comfortable and I had three different 2020 ST's with massaging seats. Do not really miss the massaging seats.

powerboatr · Apr 24, 2024

Mine has build Date of mar 2023
It has metal cargo hooks
Normal seats
360 camera system is in and works
Lte 4g is deleted
It does have rear ac controls in back seat.
So far as i can tell the 4g lte is only identified item missing

The only reason I didn't buy the King ranch one built same time, was 360 system was deleted
I have active massage in my f150
Love em for long trips
But these seats in the St are also pretty comfy. I am a large person 6. 3. And 226 lbs

I Bleed Ford Blue · Apr 24, 2024

The hands free liftgate is gone too.

EDWYER · Apr 24, 2024

I Bleed Ford Blue said:

Dumb move.

Smrtss1 · May 5, 2024

Good info, I’m in the market for a 2023. Why would they delete heated steering wheels though?

F=MA · May 5, 2024

Listen for knocking in the front suspension. Built between 12-22 and 8-31-23 can have loose pressure tubes in the front struts that can create a low speed knocking sound. See Ford Special Service Message SSM-52405. Also 2023's built in the first 9 months of 2023 were parked in one place for months waiting for electronic chips so they can have flat spotted tires that can cause issues. Mine had that at first but was self corrected by 500 miles of tire wear . There is an SSM out about that also.

powerboatr · May 5, 2024

yes

I Bleed Ford Blue said:

i figured that out after doing what i am sure the neighbors thought was some weird dance at the back of the vehicle, waving my foot all around, even though the book said it was there......and no gate open

2020FordRaptor · May 5, 2024

Smrtss1 said:

Chip shortage.

msmith4178 · May 7, 2024

Smrtss1 said:

I have a heated steering wheel in mine

msmith4178 · May 7, 2024

2020FordRaptor said:

It was $200 a year...Not unreasonable.

MKdude · May 7, 2024

I got every available option on mine and its nice i would go with fully loaded (Equipment group 401A) also premium technology package

powerboatr · May 7, 2024

msmith4178 said:

I have it in my 22 f150
It's 200 or so..but we use the crap out it
My pandora likes being able to not loose internet.
Not sure how, but it bery rarely looses cell .
when my phones are reading no service
I wish you could choose providers.
I have Verizon now since 2006
Being able to use them vice att would be a big plus

msmith4178 · May 7, 2024

We have it in the F150 and I had it in my 20 ST. Now, my 23 doesn't have it and I am really annoyed by it. We used it all the time. They delete it off the build for $20 but to buy the module is like $200. It would be nice to pick the provider but, I didn't have any issues with AT&T in my part of the world so it was ok.

msmith4178 · May 7, 2024

I Bleed Ford Blue said:

I do miss that. And all the extra lights inside and the temperature on the knobs.

powerboatr · May 7, 2024

msmith4178 said:

yup
i may buy the module and put it in her car. 200 seems high but i will look
i am still a bit twisted over the horrible gauge display compared to my 150, same freaking screen, why cant we have software to show boost, real eng and trans temps on every screen as an option????? freaking hell

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