Ford Performance Tune

[CareerFiremanGuy]

... I do have a Dragy and already have some baseline data to reference back to. I’ll share both after I make some runs with the FP calibration.

Cool! That'd be great.

 

[UNBROKEN]

I'm sure that I am in that club to. He is the only person that I have ever seen brag about blocking people on a web forum.

So I'm not the only one that thinks it’s weird? Like…a grown man actually needs a safe space? Or maybe it’s the only way to keep thinking he’s always right if he doesn’t see differing opinions…or actual facts. Either way…weird.

 

[WindyDishes]

So i was drinking and thinking that Ford released this "tune" case it's the same "tune" they're using in the Bronco Raptor which has the same motor and trans as the ST. The HP and TQ numbers match up to match so this is not really a performance tune for the ST if this is the case...

 

[twin001]

However, if you believe that if you "pop" your engine while on the Ford tune the dealership and warranty service guy are just going to "pop" for the repair, good luck with that! Just because they say it doesn't void a warranty, unless you find a nice dealer who needs the work; and that work pays well, you're going to be out of your vehicle for awhile.

SPOT ON! So many people put way too much trust in the "Guarantee Fairy" but what they don't understand is the majority of dealer service departments are backed up with paying customers and a LOT of vehicles waiting on parts. Dealing with OEMs on warranty work is not only a major paperwork headache but the dealers get paid a lot less on warranty work from the OEM.

 

[CareerFiremanGuy]

SPOT ON! So many people put way too much trust in the "Guarantee Fairy" but what they don't understand is the majority of dealer service departments are backed up with paying customers and a LOT of vehicles waiting on parts. Dealing with OEMs on warranty work is not only a major paperwork headache but the dealers get paid a lot less on warranty work from the OEM.

I've had warranty work done with no issues. Not sure where you're getting your info from, but they sound like Chicken Little screaming "The sky is falling!"

What too many people don't understand is that a voided warranty is a voided warranty.

With OEM parts/tunes they'll take care of it no matter how long it takes, whereas with 3rd party mods they will tell you to take a hike.

 

[CareerFiremanGuy]

So i was drinking and thinking ...

Yeah, that always ends up well. Lol

.. Ford released this "tune" ... it's the same "tune" they're using in the Bronco Raptor which has the same motor and trans as the ST. The HP and TQ numbers match up to match so this is not really a performance tune for the ST if this is the case...

The FP tune for the ST makes 430 hp / 467 lb ft, while the Raptor "tune" makes 418 hp / 440 lb ft.

Not the same animal.

 

[WindyDishes]

Yeah, that always ends up well. Lol



The FP tune for the ST makes 430 hp / 467 lb ft, while the Raptor "tune" makes 418 hp / 440 lb ft.

Not the same animal.

The Bronco is definitely losing HP/TQ in the giant 37" tires... I'm just saying seems fishy.

 

[Blown F-150]

So i was drinking and thinking that Ford released this "tune" case it's the same "tune" they're using in the Bronco Raptor which has the same motor and trans as the ST. The HP and TQ numbers match up to match so this is not really a performance tune for the ST if this is the case...

I don’t follow what you’re saying here. Ford states that some of the extra HP in the Braptor comes from different intake, exhaust and I believe turbos, compared to the other vehicles with the 3.0.

This is absolutely a performance tune for the ST, it gives your more power than stock.


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[Blown F-150]

The Bronco is definitely losing HP/TQ in the giant 37" tires... I'm just saying seems fishy.

It’s crank rated HP, nothing to do with the tires.


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[Blown F-150]

SPOT ON! So many people put way too much trust in the "Guarantee Fairy" but what they don't understand is the majority of dealer service departments are backed up with paying customers and a LOT of vehicles waiting on parts. Dealing with OEMs on warranty work is not only a major paperwork headache but the dealers get paid a lot less on warranty work from the OEM.

As much as some of us put our faith in aftermarket tuners, it doesn’t matter how you slice it, there is less risk with the FP tune and less chance you’re going to have this kinda convo with a service writer/manager.


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[twin001]

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As much as some of us put our faith in aftermarket tuners, it doesn’t matter how you slice it, there is less risk with the FP tune and less chance you’re going to have this kinda convo with a service writer/manager.


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yikes….I’m going to argue with this. You realize turnover at many OEMs engineering departments is very high, especially the big 3. After seeing how bad Ford botched this release (graphs, lack of proper dealer training) I would argue ZFG is less risk. Literally hundreds and hundreds running it, and pushing it hard, with zero issues. Zack has done his due diligence, so much that he even stopped taking orders to ensure he was compliant with EPA regs.

 

[Blown F-150]

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yikes….I’m going to argue with this. You realize turnover at many OEMs engineering departments is very high, especially the big 3. After seeing how bad Ford botched this release (graphs, lack of proper dealer training) I would argue ZFG is less risk. Literally hundreds and hundreds running it, and pushing it hard, with zero issues. Zack has done his due diligence, so much that he even stopped taking orders to ensure he was compliant with EPA regs.

Tell me the turnover of the folks that ran this program? Botched release, like how...a typo? Dealer training happens on a regular cadence for certain things and online courses for others. You clearly have no clue how this works. Do you mean marketing or technical?

I do find it interesting how you believe that a tuner that does this part-time some how has access to more than a division of the corporation that built the vehicle. It is awesome that Adam is going through the process and expense for C.A.R.B, but that doesn't mean much for reliability. "Zero Issues"? Come on dude, you're delusional.

 

[Peterfor]

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yikes….I’m going to argue with this. You realize turnover at many OEMs engineering departments is very high, especially the big 3. After seeing how bad Ford botched this release (graphs, lack of proper dealer training) I would argue ZFG is less risk. Literally hundreds and hundreds running it, and pushing it hard, with zero issues. Zack has done his due diligence, so much that he even stopped taking orders to ensure he was compliant with EPA regs.

Completely agree and can not even argue. What the poster is trying to say though and I do agree is if I blow a piston through the side of my block I am much more likely to have a warranty claim approved through Ford with an FP Tune than I would with a ZFG even though it is far superior.

Even though there is a high turnover rate on engineers and botched graphs, that doesn’t matter, it is still backed with a Ford warranty. If you can get a Ford Warrantied ZFG tune Adam could retire in a month.

 

[TMac]

I really enjoy the back-and-forth on this subject. Both sides have solid points as I posted in #290. I'm not even sure what the argument is about, but as someone over 55, I don't remember that any of this was even an issue when I was younger.

Please bear with me- I'm making a point. Because, in the past, if you modified your vehicle, you assumed the risk. It was that simple. You could simply put the trans in neutral, floor the accelerator, and destroy the engine. Easy-peasy. And yet- no one did. There was a time before rev-limiters, knock-detection, etc, when an individual who wanted more power assumed the responsibility that things could go wrong.

Now it seems there are people who want to modify their vehicles, and yet do not want to assume any responsibility for those customizations. I understand it, and truly don't understand anyone who can't. And if you're one of those people, guess what, you get 30 hp instead of 100 hp.

Once again, look back at post #290. Because in effect, the argument is about a warranty- in effect removing oneself from financial responsibility. In that post, I tried to lay out the worst case scenario for having that custom octane tune, and not having a warranty- the chances of engine failure,engineering-wise, are pretty miniscule. But there are people I'm sure who never change their engine oil and then bitch about smoke and bearing failure at 50k miles.

So, let me just express my thoughts- if you want to spend a thousand bucks to get 30hp, go for it. But I'm not going to make that choice. No way, No how. But I get it if you do.

 

[Stone17]

Look what came in. Waiting on the Dealership for a install date.

 

[CareerFiremanGuy]

The Bronco is definitely losing HP/TQ in the giant 37" tires... I'm just saying seems fishy.

Published Hp/Torque numbers from automotive manufacturers are measured on an engine dyno, not a chassis dyno.

So tire size has no effect on those numbers.

 

[STJIM]

Look what came in. Waiting on the Dealership for a install date.

Hasanyone wondered if Livernois had anything to do with this?

 

[Peterfor]

Look what came in. Waiting on the Dealership for a install date.

Nice. Can you please update later with the procedure with the dealer? For example, do you have to register and download things first and set it all up with the VIN or does the dealer help you with that?

 

[Stone17]

Nice. Can you please update later with the procedure with the dealer? For example, do you have to register and download things first and set it all up with the VIN or does the dealer help you with that?

There is a paper with a download code for the tune. Not sure If I need to downloads the file or let the dealership do it.

 

[LopezST]

I would suggest following the instructions on the site as you want to have the procal setup with your stock info uploaded before having ASE or dealer install. At least, that was my experience.