Oil catch cans

[twin001]

Mine literally took 5 minutes. I had none of the issues you are describing. Yes the plastic hose connectors are a bit of a PITA, but nothing like you describe. Hoses have plenty of slack, bracket installed fine.

edit to add pics.

1st pic - overhead shot, make sure it is angled towards the driver side via the bracket.

2nd pic - bracket attach location.


3rd pic - routing over and below intake piping

 

[RLW]

Like twin said…


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[boosted_st]

Received my JLT catch can, went to install it today...you know the "15 minutes install". Not so much.
Was a PITA trying to get the original hose unclipped.
Then the install, while attaching the threaded J-clip to the radiator support, note it doesn't just press on, it requires a tap from a hammer to get it in place - make sure the j-clip doesn't bounce off the radiator support and fall into oblivion when tapped.
Attaching the JLT can bracket after is easy, one screw.
Attaching the can to the bracket, also easy & straight forward.

As for the hoses, I found the entire unit to be under stress when installed as described. Hoses were tight & pulling. The caution about making sure the bracket doesn't touch the the small coolant hose proximal to it, should read not to touch the 90 degree elbow that is connected to the coolant hose. The bracket doesn't touch the coolant hose, it can touch the 90 degree elbow the coolant hose is attached to. Either way, the entire system was under tension, pulling the can & bracket towards the elbow. I'm not sure I could torque the bolt that secures the bracket to the radiator support enough to keep the can from resting on the coolant hose elbow.

Another issue with the hoses under tension, unclipping the JLT hoses after installation. Again a PITA, when the hoses & clips are being pulled away from center on the male attachment points. I removed the catch can from its bracket to take the pressure off and easily the clips would unclip easily. When everything is attached & secured, the hoses are pulled and the clips do not readily release.

I called JLT about the easy 15 minute install, stating that the entire system looks under stress or tension when installed. I was told the the hoses are a specific length for manufacture purpose. However when I measured the length of the hoses I have on the kit I received, they came up short by ~ 1/8 inch. In manufacture process JLT figures the hoses I have could of been cut short.

JLT is sending me longer hoses to use, while cutting off the original ones. Thank you to JLT for you assistance, support and solution.

So now I wait, but I have to say this was anything but a 15 minute job. I've found the hoses are too tight. Anyone else have issues with install or find the hoses are stretched too tight upon installation?

Over the years I've worked on all of my vehicles, oil changes, brakes, struts & shocks, engine rebuilds, etc. So its not like I'm a novice with things mechanical and this 15 minute install was not so much.

The install was easy, however I do find that one of the hoses is rather tight, maybe they had a batch where the hose wasn't the correct length. One hose was fine, the other not so much and I'd have to look again to remember which it was.

 

[twin001]

And 4th pic, after appx 750 miles. Glad I installed this! Tough to argue about their worth after seeing this.

 

[Blue Beast]

I agree

 

[Planetmail]

Mine literally took 5 minutes. I had none of the issues you are describing. Yes the plastic hose connectors are a bit of a PITA, but nothing like you describe. Hoses have plenty of slack, bracket installed fine.

edit to add pics.

1st pic - overhead shot, make sure it is angled towards the driver side via the bracket.
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2nd pic - bracket attach location.
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3rd pic - routing over and below intake piping
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I should of taken a picture with mine "installed" to show proof of how tight the hoses were. Your top hose is loose compared to how mine was.

 

[boosted_st]

I should of taken a picture with mine "installed" to show proof of how tight the hoses were. Your top hose is loose compared to how mine was.

Same here, the one that goes over the intake tube is the one that is rather snug for me as well. Updated with a photo.

 

[Kingcor]

What are your thoughts on getting this if you are never taking this to the track, just gunning it on the highway from time to time. It's a cheap mod and seems quick install, I just dont want to get it if its focused mostly for those who are tracking their cars or racing monthly.

 

[boosted_st]

What are your thoughts on getting this if you are never taking this to the track, just gunning it on the highway from time to time. It's a cheap mod and seems quick install, I just dont want to get it if its focused mostly for those who are tracking their cars or racing monthly.

My vehicle will never see a track, after seeing what others have posted about what it collects and prevents from going back into the engine and potentially causing build up on the valves is why I decided to do it.

 

[zdubyadubya]

What are your thoughts on getting this if you are never taking this to the track, just gunning it on the highway from time to time. It's a cheap mod and seems quick install, I just dont want to get it if its focused mostly for those who are tracking their cars or racing monthly.

No matter the use case, ANY direct injected engine without also port injection (such as the 3.0L ecoboost) needs a catch can unless you like doing valve cleanings every 60k

 

[JohnE]

You’ll still need to clean the intake even with a catch can. Catch cans don’t get all the oil out of the crankcase vapor. I’ve looked and asked for documentation of two like engines, one using a catch can and one without and never got an answer. I believe in them and that’s why I have a UPR can on my ST, but they’re not the end all for sure.

 

[TMac]

I think catch cans are a good idea, no doubt. However, from an engineering perspective, if you don't have port injection, then you can use late injector timing especially during periods of what some people term 'Miller Cycle' to deliver fuel back into the plenum which can then 'wash' the valves. I'm not saying this is as effective as port injection as I have no empirical evidence, but I have seen research papers that show variations on this approach. There are several manufacturers who are not doing both direct and port injection who are using variable valve timing to mitigate pumping losses (and thus increase mileage) at low rpms. They must be using some form of this approach or are using a more advanced way of trapping condensate and vapor. I'm going to give Ford and others the benefit of the doubt that they are doing something to rectify the situation.

 

[Mishimoto]

Hey Guys!

I just wanted to jump in here since any mention of catch cans makes us perk up our ears! Just from paging through this thread, it looks like you guys already know the basics of catch cans, and why the 3.0EB under the Explorer ST's hood is in need of one, so I'll just drop in our plug here, since we actually just launched the discounted presale for our Explorer ST kit! Make sure that you head to our blog to check out the R&D process and a link to the presale:

SOUL TRANSPLANT – 2020+ FORD EXPLORER ST BAFFLED OIL CATCH CAN R&D, PART 2 – TEST RESULTS

We're excited to start diving into this platform and we have PLENTY more in store for the Explorer STs, so we'll be around for a while if you have any questions!

-Nick

 

[jrgoffin]

Looking forward to the Mishimoto kit. Much cleaner install than fabricating on our own.

 

[Cmaximst]

What are the differences between the Mishimoto and the JLT catch cans?

 

[singingwhodat]

Ordered!


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[Cdubya]

I definitely like the preformed and largely hidden hose of the Mishimoto. Functionally, probably no different from the JLT.

 

[gkmunch]

I also pre-ordered the Mishimoto in favor of the cleaner install.

[mention]Mishimoto [/mention] - do you have an updated estimate of when you expect these to ship? Thanks in advance.


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[jrgoffin]

A rep I chatted with last week told me they should be shipping in the next couple weeks. Apparently they are on the way to distributors, for what that is worth.

 

[Clears]

Received my JLT catch can, went to install it today...you know the "15 minutes install". Not so much.
Was a PITA trying to get the original hose unclipped.
Then the install, while attaching the threaded J-clip to the radiator support, note it doesn't just press on, it requires a tap from a hammer to get it in place - make sure the j-clip doesn't bounce off the radiator support and fall into oblivion when tapped.
Attaching the JLT can bracket after is easy, one screw.
Attaching the can to the bracket, also easy & straight forward.

As for the hoses, I found the entire unit to be under stress when installed as described. Hoses were tight & pulling. The caution about making sure the bracket doesn't touch the the small coolant hose proximal to it, should read not to touch the 90 degree elbow that is connected to the coolant hose. The bracket doesn't touch the coolant hose, it can touch the 90 degree elbow the coolant hose is attached to. Either way, the entire system was under tension, pulling the can & bracket towards the elbow. I'm not sure I could torque the bolt that secures the bracket to the radiator support enough to keep the can from resting on the coolant hose elbow.

Another issue with the hoses under tension, unclipping the JLT hoses after installation. Again a PITA, when the hoses & clips are being pulled away from center on the male attachment points. I removed the catch can from its bracket to take the pressure off and easily the clips would unclip easily. When everything is attached & secured, the hoses are pulled and the clips do not readily release.

I called JLT about the easy 15 minute install, stating that the entire system looks under stress or tension when installed. I was told the the hoses are a specific length for manufacture purpose. However when I measured the length of the hoses I have on the kit I received, they came up short by ~ 1/8 inch. In manufacture process JLT figures the hoses I have could of been cut short.

JLT is sending me longer hoses to use, while cutting off the original ones. Thank you to JLT for you assistance, support and solution.

So now I wait, but I have to say this was anything but a 15 minute job. I've found the hoses are too tight. Anyone else have issues with install or find the hoses are stretched too tight upon installation?

Over the years I've worked on all of my vehicles, oil changes, brakes, struts & shocks, engine rebuilds, etc. So its not like I'm a novice with things mechanical and this 15 minute install was not so much.

Ugh..... that definitely sounds like a PITA. Like mentioned, your hoses sound a little on the short side. I also have the JLT catch can and it was about a 15 minute install in my 21 and there was no tension on either of my hoses. I hope the new hoses help.