Poor quality control or cost cutting?

[NDanecker]

What two things are off in this photo?



Answer: Missing round B&O tag on drivers side (not missing on passenger side) and no ST key fob.

 

[SoySauceSoakedSaltine]

Also the electric steering wheel column adjust. The missing B&O is new to me but everything else is common with build 2 2025 explorers.

 

[NDanecker]

Also the electric steering wheel column adjust. The missing B&O is new to me but everything else is common with build 2 2025 explorers.

Ford did same with super duty trucks removing power steering adjustment on lariat trim level. I think the B&O was a mistake as the passenger side has the tag. Didn't know about the ST key fob going away for build 2. How much did the key fob branding really save? Crazy as I'm sure the $3.08 savings was not passed onto the consumer.

 

[SoySauceSoakedSaltine]

Ford did same with super duty trucks removing power steering adjustment on lariat trim level. I think the B&O was a mistake as the passenger side has the tag. Didn't know about the ST key fob going away for build 2. How much did the key fob branding really save? Crazy as I'm sure the $3.08 savings was not passed onto the consumer.

Yea, I'm sure we defiantly don't see any savings and if there was its over lapped by fees.

 

[2020FordRaptor]

What two things are off in this photo?



Answer: Missing round B&O tag on drivers side (not missing on passenger side) and no ST key fob.

Cost cutting. That’s a build change. Ford’s stupid, glad my 2022 didn’t get much deleted.

 

[bluesnake01]

Take it its your first time here? lol Thats been a standard trend since late 2021 starting with the single rear bolts. Every year after it, Ford has been deleting items left and right. 2020 and early 21's are the golden Explorer's.

 

[2020FordRaptor]

Take it its your first time here? lol Thats been a standard trend since late 2021 starting with the single rear bolts. Every year after it, Ford has been deleting items left and right. 2020 and early 21's are the golden Explorer's.

I wouldn’t say golden.

 

[bluesnake01]

I wouldn’t say golden.

Fully loaded wise? Yes. Built? 2020 C builds and early 21's practically had the main issues ironed out.

Then again, 2025 dont look much better with the "non start" issues

 

[2020FordRaptor]

Fully loaded wise? Yes. Built? 2020 C builds and early 21's practically had the main issues ironed out.

Then again, 2025 dont look much better with the "non start" issues

2025s are fine, just a lot of software things that need to be ironed out. I’d say very select late ‘22 MY, and late 2020 and very early 2021’s are golden.

 

[SoySauceSoakedSaltine]

My old 21 was almost perfect, zero issues mechanically, some paint defects from the factory. Had it for 40kish miles but just wasn't in love with it. Love my 25 even with the problems it had but they're all fixed and so far so good *knocks on wood*.

 

[MattJ716]

Besides for the one rear bolt crossmember.. im about 53k miles on my 21 and havent had any other major concerns whatsoever ::knock on wood::

 

[NDanecker]

1400 miles in and getting a vibration from about 36 to 42mph now that is getting more pronounced. Not sure if its cost cutting or simply part failure. Feels like a driveshaft and/or u-joint. We shall see what dealer says when I take it in.

Can't believe how much slower this car is from the Trackhawk and Durango Hellcat, but seems better as a daily than both of those. Seats are more comfortable on my last ~300 mile trip but highway cruising especially from 70 to 90+ seems very unstable compared to both of those 'other' SUV's. Its a nice daily though over the F-450 and that is why I bought it.

 

[2020FordRaptor]

1400 miles in and getting a vibration from about 36 to 42mph now that is getting more pronounced. Not sure if its cost cutting or simply part failure. Feels like a driveshaft and/or u-joint. We shall see what dealer says when I take it in.

Can't believe how much slower this car is from the Trackhawk and Durango Hellcat, but seems better as a daily than both of those. Seats are more comfortable on my last ~300 mile trip but highway cruising especially from 70 to 90+ seems very unstable compared to both of those 'other' SUV's. Its a nice daily though over the F-450 and that is why I bought it.

Well they are quite a bit cheaper than a Trackhawk or Durango Hellcat.

 

[NDanecker]

Well they are quite a bit cheaper than a Trackhawk or Durango Hellcat.

Only because those are way over priced! LOL

 

[2020FordRaptor]

Only because those are way over priced! LOL

For the market not really, but that's not saying much. The whole market in itself is overpriced.

 

[MattJ716]

What two things are off in this photo?



Answer: Missing round B&O tag on drivers side (not missing on passenger side) and no ST key fob.

Sitting in one at my ford lot and this one does not have it either. So if it is a mistake, it’s the entire batch from that build date… or Ford cost cutting.

 

[NDanecker]

Sitting in one at my ford lot and this one does not have it either. So if it is a mistake, it’s the entire batch from that build date… or Ford cost cutting.

Is it just the driver side or both? Mine is missing just driver side.

 

[MattJ716]

Just driver.. passenger side is there.

 

[Nightshade]

Sitting in one at my ford lot and this one does not have it either. So if it is a mistake, it’s the entire batch from that build date… or Ford cost cutting.

Seems like all Job 2 has it. This is the reason why I wanted Job 1 for my 2025 ST because I saw this coming from a mile away; they did the similar things on deletes to the 2025 F-150 Raptors as well (deleted Raptor running boards--only show Ford now, no Raptor branded keyfob, keypad deleted, and a few more). Rear shades deleted, manual tilt steering, B&O logo gone, door illuminated keypad and no ST on key fob is ridiculous. There's maybe 2, Job 1s left in the entire Western Canada provinces, as I see a lot of 2025 ST in Job 2 on lots; still getting sold tho because those are people who don't know a few features is gone.