FND Rear Fog Lamps (2020/2021 ST Part)

[bosephbarking]

Couple things for you @Big Turk. Europe requires all vehicles to have a hard brake switch that turns on the hazards. Turning on your hazards on the road and driving is illegal. It is also illegal in the US but people don't follow/enforce those laws.

Second, rear fogs are extremely effective in heavy fog. You aren't trying to look like you are braking, you are making yourself more visible. If my lights can be seen an extra 20-30 feet behind me in a zero visibility fog I can save myself and someone else.

You are using your expectations of north America driving to this conversation. That is just flat out wrong. In all European countries driving is a serious business and everyone must take a class before they can be licensed. On top of that the class (while it varies by country) is expensive. Im talking thousands of dollars expensive. Just for the CLASSROOM training you have to take to qualify to get a learners. After that you can lose your license for any infraction in the first year. They also will take your license and CAR if you keep fucking up.

In short people follow the rules of the road in Europe a lot better than they do on this side of the pond.

 

[Big Turk]

Couple things for you @Big Turk. Europe requires all vehicles to have a hard brake switch that turns on the hazards. Turning on your hazards on the road and driving is illegal. It is also illegal in the US but people don't follow/enforce those laws.

Second, rear fogs are extremely effective in heavy fog. You aren't trying to look like you are braking, you are making yourself more visible. If my lights can be seen an extra 20-30 feet behind me in a zero visibility fog I can save myself and someone else.

You are using your expectations of north America driving to this conversation. That is just flat out wrong. In all European countries driving is a serious business and everyone must take a class before they can be licensed. On top of that the class (while it varies by country) is expensive. Im talking thousands of dollars expensive. Just for the CLASSROOM training you have to take to qualify to get a learners. After that you can lose your license for any infraction in the first year. They also will take your license and CAR if you keep fucking up.

In short people follow the rules of the road in Europe a lot better than they do on this side of the pond.

Hello,

I am located in Ontario Canada and we now have a three step process to acquire your full G licence (it takes up to 2 years). Most new young drivers here take a minimim 40 hour driver's training course (in class and road) to be able to save money on the first two years of insurance coverage.

Most provinces and states have different rules of the road, so it is difficult to say what is legal or illegal in each jurisdiction. Hazard lights are legal to use in Ontario and you must turn on your head and tail lights any time there is inclement weather or times of reduced visibility. I agree that a flashing third brake light upon activation would be a great addition to our vehicles in both the US and Canada.

Any time you take an action when driving that is unexpected (giving up the right of way for no reason would be one example) it can lead to confusion for the other drivers around you leading to uncertainty and collisions. Using Europe as an example to do something in North America is not generally a great idea as you have mentioned they have a different driving culture. Not all the behaviours are transferable to our driving environments. For example, in the UK (and other countries) they drive on the left. The UK has many fewer collisions and serious injuries than pretty much any province or state in North America. Would this lead you to believe that you should drive on the left as it must be safer. I know this is a very silly extreme example, but I am just trying to make a point that not everything is transferable to another jurisdiction. I would still argue that bright red lights to the rear would distract from your real brake lights when you do need to signal that you are braking and they would be very annoying to anyone following you. Having an annoyed driver following you can lead to all kinds of bad behaviour.

Again to each their own, but I would not be advocating for brights to the rear.

Cheers.

 

[Jerru]

Hey there Ataraxia... So Yes I did order the parts and received both sides... However, only one side (Drivers Side rear) has LEDs
the other side is similar in design but no LEDs and missing/sealed connection for prongs....

That being said I am seeing 2020-2023 NON-OEM rear LED fog lights being sold on ebay and such...(see pics) and
actuall this is what I was looking for in the first place - Hoping FORD / OEM would be what I needed... oh well

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@Rescue51 I've got a question for you. I am going to install rear fog light to my 2022 Explorer Platinum (US model which I brought to Poland/EU). In order to pass vehicle inspection in EU, cars needs to have rear fog lights installed. We do have Explorer offered by Ford in EU (ST and Platinum version but only with 3.3L V6 Hybrid) therefore those are originally equipped with rear fog lights, including different interior light switch (LB5T-13D061-UB3JA6), with two fog light buttons instead of one.
Did you check wire harness in your Explorer? Is there any OE plug in US version of Explorer which will allow to connect abovementioned rear fog light plug&play?

 

[Rescue51]

@Rescue51 I've got a question for you. I am going to install rear fog light to my 2022 Explorer Platinum (US model which I brought to Poland/EU). In order to pass vehicle inspection in EU, cars needs to have rear fog lights installed. We do have Explorer offered by Ford in EU (ST and Platinum version but only with 3.3L V6 Hybrid) therefore those are originally equipped with rear fog lights, including different interior light switch (LB5T-13D061-UB3JA6), with two fog light buttons instead of one.
Did you check wire harness in your Explorer? Is there any OE plug in US version of Explorer which will allow to connect abovementioned rear fog light plug&play?

Sorry for delayed response.... Got the fog light for the drivers side and the otherside is non-lighted... so I haven't tried to install and really didnt look to see if wiring harness was there....

 

[rcflyer]

Sorry for delayed response.... Got the fog light for the drivers side and the otherside is non-lighted... so I haven't tried to install and really didnt look to see if wiring harness was there....

Did you ever install these? I got a set last week and the right side has a dummy plug and no LED's like you stated. The drivers side has a small row of LED's in it. It has a 2 prong connector on the back. Do you know if the US model has the mating plug in the rear bumper harness? I also got a dual fog light switch which I enabled the rear fog light with Forscan. The Fog light indicators work on the dash. Of course I don't know if the rear one would actually light up without install the correct plug.The funny part was when I turned on the rear fog, the high beams turned off. We can probably can disable that in Forscan like the front fogs if desired. I will be checking with my parts guy on Monday about the rear bumper harness. Part numbers below.If there is a different rear bumper wiring harness for Europe, I will add that part number later. If anyone has additional updates, please chime in. Before anybody asks, you cannot put another drivers side LED Fog light assembly on the passenger side as they are shaped differently on the ends. In other words, they are not symmetrical. You don't want both sides on anyway as a following car could mistake those as brake lights. In a dense fog you just want the additional lamp on to make you more visible.

LB5Z-11654-TB Switch Assembly
LB5Z-15200-A Lamp Assembly Fog Right Passenger Side No LED's
LB5Z-15200-B Lamp Assembly Fog Left Drivers Side with LED's

 

[rcflyer]

Looking for:

1. Right & Left Side (REAR FOG LAMP ASSEMBLY) QTY 2
I believe the Part Numbers are: LB5B-15K273-AC & LB5B-15K272-AC
2. Prefer New
3. Shipping

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Update: Reached out to Discount Ford Performance Parts, Lincoln Accessories | Levittown Ford (levittownfordparts.com) better pricing than others...
Placed the order with them and they also updated me with the new part Numbers:
LB5Z-15200-B
Lamp Assembly Fog LEFT Rear (BACKORDERED 4-8 WEEKS)
LB5Z-15200-A
Lamp Assembly Fog RIGHT Rear (2-3 BUSINESS DAYS)

Did you ever find these? I just ordered a set last week and got them in two days. They were both in stock. Kinda pricey, however.

 

[rcflyer]

Did you ever find these? I just ordered a set last week and got them in two days. They were both in stock. Kinda pricey, however.

Please disregard my last post. I see you got them already.

 

[adrade]

Sorry for delayed response.... Got the fog light for the drivers side and the otherside is non-lighted... so I haven't tried to install and really didnt look to see if wiring harness was there....

@Rescue51 - First, I wanted to say thank you for this post. The info in here has already been incredibly helpful. I think I may be misunderstanding, but it sounds like you got the drivers side installed but decided not to touch the passenger side. Is that correct? If I got that right, did you have to run wire from the switch in front down the length of the car to the back or was there already a socket under the reflector ready to go? I haven’t started my replacement but am ordering parts and just want to get a sense of what I’m in for.

@rcflyer - did you ever manage to get yours installed? If so, did you need to run new wire or was the car already ready for the rear fog lamps to be installed?

Thank you both, and everyone else here!

 

[rcflyer]

I got them installed. For now I just hooked up a pigtail to the driver's side. There is no lamp on the passenger side, but the lens looks the same. I installed a dual switch and the dash indicators work. One for the front and a different one for the rear. I haven't traced the wiring yet because it has been too hot.No European wiring harness. The only thing my parts guy found was a pigtail. I did not purchase one from Ford. They're way too expensive. I got the exact same pigtail from Amazon. I'll post here again once I get it figured out.

 

[BrooseDaMoose]

There is a thread on the aftermarket ones here. Some use them are turn signals.

 

[adrade]

I got them installed. For now I just hooked up a pigtail to the driver's side. There is no lamp on the passenger side, but the lens looks the same. I installed a dual switch and the dash indicators work. One for the front and a different one for the rear. I haven't traced the wiring yet because it has been too hot.No European wiring harness. The only thing my parts guy found was a pigtail. I did not purchase one from Ford. They're way too expensive. I got the exact same pigtail from Amazon. I'll post here again once I get it figured out.

Would you mind posting a link to the pigtail you purchased? I’m not sure exactly sure which one to buy. I had purchased the other parts from one shop but they were taking weeks so cancelled and am getting them now from another… should be able to start on this project in about a week and a half.