Safety Recall 22S27 Rear Axle Bolt Fractures

scoobysportD · Sep 3, 2023

I feared this would be the response...

After 10 months of arguing and bickering with Ford NL and the dealer they finally admit there are issues with these cars, this being one of them.

As a final attempt to fix my issues they want to perform the 22N06 recall (which has been put out only last week or so for NL).

I fear it'll only be a very temporary fix at best if they don't change the subframe alltogether.

Boss240 · Sep 3, 2023

Yes the only real fix would be the 4 bolt subframe. Ford will never go that route though as it's very costly and most people will never have this problem as they drive moderately

Boss240 · Sep 3, 2023

What is the 22N06 recall?

scoobysportD · Sep 3, 2023

Boss240 said:

I think the follow up on 22S27 as customer satisfaction part of it all?

Boss240 · Sep 3, 2023

Oh ok thanks

rad_rob · Sep 5, 2023

Got mine back from the dealer, they didn't even swap the bolt, just did the software update to apply the parking brake. I know everyone is complaining about it, but I don't really mind it applying the parking brake automatically for me, its not a big deal. I do, however, hope that Ford comes up with a fix for this other than just swapping the bolt or applying a software fix.

As a side note, they also let me know they discontinued the "update" for the camera issue as the one they had caused even more issues so Ford told them to stop applying that update. That being said, I did get my window switches replaced under that recall, so it wasn't a complete waste of a trip. haha Although, they did perform an oil change, and now occasionally on startup it puffs a ton of smoke for a few seconds then stops, so I've got that going for me.

Midlife · Oct 13, 2023

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2023/RMISC-23V675-6941.pdf

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2023/RCLRPT-23V675-3320.PDF

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2023/RCAK-23V675-9899.pdf

TheHypnoToad · Oct 15, 2023

Midlife said:

Unless I am reading this wrong, the remedy doesn’t get to the root cause of the problem (three bolt versus four bolt subframe). It only requires Ford to replace the bushing on the subframe along with the bolt and inspect and replace if needed the rear axle cover. Shows that while the NHTSA acknowledges that there is an issue, they either: a) Don’t quite get why the failure is occurring; or b) Ford talked about how much doing replacements with a four bolt subassembly would cost and convinced NHTSA that this remedy was adequate.

MrBigglesworrth · Oct 15, 2023

Is it possible to interpret this as them adding a bushing and bolt to the other side turning it into a 4 bolt? I’m not even sure if that’s possible on the current 3 bolt subframe. That’s a bit above my pay grade. Just hoping we end up with 4 bolts‍.

Cruising68 · Oct 15, 2023

You could definitely install another bushing to the crossmember. However it would require some level of welding and minor fab work and I don’t see a dealer doing that.

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MrBigglesworrth · Oct 15, 2023

Cruising68 said:

Figured that might be the case. Thanks for the response

Midlife · Oct 15, 2023

TheHypnoToad said:

Yea, it seems like it's an appeasement to the feds without fixing the problem. Maybe it brings the remedy for retail customers' vehicles in line with the original remedy offered to PIU's? Either way, I'm not impressed. If anything it feels like the nail in the coffin for any hope for the 4 bolt subframe remedy... the NHTSA has fairly clearly illuminated the problem and forced Ford to address it... but not in any meaningful way that would PREVENT rear axle bolt failures. Kinda seems like they're washing their hands of it, in a way.

Does anyone know if the replacement bushing is of a higher caliber? I am, admittedly, a bushing noob

BBGun242 · Oct 16, 2023

Midlife said:

I would guess its a stiffer bushing to dampen the bolt movement and keep it from bottoming out the travel as quickly. That would be the scab fix I would see if I could engineer out. I don't have any insdie info though, just a experience in manufacturing engineering. It's not a true fix though if they are not using a higher grade bolt or more bolts. The bolts snap even with the diff case from what I've seen. Without increasing the cross sectional area of the bolt itself, this is basically kicking the can down the road to the next CEO. Unless there is a couple of deaths or serious accidents.

Polo08816 · Nov 20, 2023

TheHypnoToad said:

I was curious about when they finally moved to the 4 bolt subframe. I think we can assume all 2024 models and the 2025 model will incorporate this update subframe.

TheHypnoToad · Nov 20, 2023

Polo08816 said:

It’s hard to pin point a date but the four bolt subframes started reappearing during the 2023 model run but even then, it’s case by case given what information has shown up on the forum. The 2020 models had the four bolt subframe and then it shifted to a three bolt configuration starting during the 2021 model run and throughout the 2022 model run. The dates covered in the recall notice is your best guide to when the changes occurred.

Cdubya · Nov 20, 2023

TheHypnoToad said:

It’s hard to pin point a date but the four bolt subframes started reappearing during the 2023 model run but even then, it’s case by case given what information has shown up on the forum. The 2020 models had the four bolt subframe and then it shifted to a three bolt configuration starting during the 2021 model run and throughout the 2022 model run. The dates covered in the recall notice is your best guide to when the changes occurred.

A few 2023s have the 4 bolt. I think the vast majority are still 3 bolt.

TheHypnoToad · Nov 21, 2023

Cdubya said:

Yeah, I could have been clearer about that.

Should have written: “The 2020 models had the four bolt subframe and then it shifted to a three bolt configuration starting during the 2021 model run and continued throughout the 2022 model run and most of the 2023 model run.”

Midnight · Dec 31, 2023

Whats the actual "police" fix? Is it an actual physical part? I have seen aftermarket performance differential mounts you bolt to the differential and the crossmember, actually a few different performance aftermarket styles. I would think they could at least make a simple part that can be mounted by the dealer for cheap. There is a kit thats just a simple stamped steel piece that bolts to a couple of the differential bolts on the housing and then bolted to the frame with a square bushing pad. If mass produced couldn't cost much considering how simple the part is.

Midnight · Dec 31, 2023

Midnight said:

Also forgot to mention one of the cheaper kits tuners are pushing 500 plus HP and torque through! I'm they could create a simple cheaper part that can handle at least 450 HP!

Dark Knight · Dec 31, 2023

what's the "Police Fix"?, the parking brake thing is annoying as hell

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